The futurism we deserve

While humanity is waiting for the development of collective immunity to the virus, we decided to find out whether IT people have immunity against a crisis situation. Dear reader, be prepared. This will be a long post with the opinion of private individuals about what is happening in the IT field, what challenges await us and whether global turbulence will pass by.



Keywords to attract attention: Andrey Sebrant from Yandex and TechSparks, Ivan Yamshchikov from ABBYY and the Max Planck Institute, Konstantin Kichinsky from the NTI Platform, Grigory Petrov from Evrone, George Mogelashvili from Booking, Alexander Belotserkovsky from Microsoft, Mikhail Klimin from Edadil and Applicatura.

This is the second article-interview about the future, and the first was called "Post-Futurism, which we deserve . " Read, it’s also interesting there.

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With this composition, we could establish our own Silicon Valley, but while the borders are closed, we will share with you thoughts about what will happen next.

Andrei Sebrant is Yandex Strategic Marketing Director , author of the Trip Sebrant podcast , author of TechSparks . Among other things, Andrei is a candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, a professor at the Higher School of Economics and a winner of the Lenin Komsomol Prize in Science and Technology (1985).



Ivan Yamshchikov is an evangelist of artificial intelligence at ABBYY . He received a PhD in Applied Mathematics at Brandenburg University of Technology (Cottbus, Germany). Now a researcher at the Max Planck Institute (Leipzig, Germany). Ivan is exploring new principles of artificial intelligence, which could help to understand how our brain works, and also leads the podcast “Let's get some air!” .



Konstantin Kichinsky - Head of the Center for NTI Franchise at ANO Platform NTI, ex.Microsoft-man with ten years of experience. He can’t sit still and is constantly involved in something, for example, in the Leader ID project. I wrote 215 articles on Habr and leads the channel Quantum Quintum about technologies in Telegram.



Grigory Petrov - DevRel at Evrone , evangelist of Moscow Python and head of the program committee of Moscow Python Conf ++. He writes Moscow Python Podcast on weekends, tours in the evenings at conferences of the capital of our country and neighboring countries. The remaining seconds of time invests in writing articles on Habré .



Georgy Mogelashvili - Lead Developer at Booking, is not ashamed to program in Perl, since 2014 he has been living in the Netherlands, appreciates the culture and processes in teams, likes to speak at conferences , gives an (almost) objective assessment of people in IT , maintains his website and a comfortable Youtube channel .



Alexander Belotserkovsky is a senior architect, responsible for technical interaction with strategic partners and startups in Russia. Microsoft Open Source Community Leader Received Microsoft Most Valuable Professional Award for Microsoft Azure Cloud Platform. He writes articles, speaks at Russian and international IT events.



Mikhail Klimin - Chief Technology Officer (CTO) at Edadil, who is also Managing Partner at Applicatura, a regular at conferences, podcasts, and just a good guy.





What new areas / directions in IT will appear or will actively develop because of this situation? Who will disappear?


Andrei Sebrant : Right at the height of the crisis, something completely new rarely arises, rather, some catch a fair wind and others catch a wind in the face. A fair wind can be expected by those areas that are related to infrastructure: communications, clouds, automation of large businesses, autonomous systems. But many of the developments related to the implementation of IT solutions in industries that have been hit hard by the crisis will be left without funding for a noticeable period. The weakest and smallest companies, of course, will disappear. But overall, the IT structure is unlikely to change dramatically. Now everyone has learned that IT is just as key as food production or medicine.


Ivan Yamshchikov : It seems to me that the current situation very clearly shows two things: firstly, the crisis of interactivity, and secondly, the crisis of old institutions.

The interactivity crisis boils down to the fact that we have significantly fewer channels for effective interaction with technological products than with the offline world. While there were a lot of interactions offline, this deficit was not felt. Now for someone it is becoming a serious problem, and for someone it is an opportunity to build a new technological product.

As for the old institutions, it is still more obvious: the crisis showed a real level of penetration of technology and technological literacy. It turned out that talking about technologies and being able to use them effectively are two different things.

Both of these crises show that people working in the technology sector work above the roof.

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Grigory Petrov : Everything with the prefix "tele-" (teleconferences, telemedicine), remote education, broadcasts from concerts. All those things that we used to consume in full-time socialization with other people. It suddenly turned out that a lot can be done without leaving home.

It is difficult to predict what exactly will "disappear", but you can watch with interest the old offline technologies, which can quickly repeat the fate of a pager within six months - just stop being.

Georgy Mogelashvili : IT is in most cases servicing a physical business or physical processes. Therefore, we must look at how the physical world is changing.

Due to the impossibility of personal communication, video call technologies have gone up (Zoom shares are one of the few that are growing in the current crisis). Because of quarantine, it became difficult for many to reach the store, so online product ordering services began to sew up and increase delivery times.

But these services already existed before, and what will appear? I think the most obvious answer is AR / VR. Can't go on a trip? Put on your helmet and walk along the streets of Amsterdam or the mountains of the Caucasus. Need to discuss the project with colleagues? Come into the common VR-room and demonstrate the project in 3D with all the details.

Alexander Belotserkovsky : I won’t guess what will happen next, I plan on the basis of what I see now:
  1. Movement towards integration. Companies developing solutions for, for example, call centers, begin to evaluate and gain experience with integration with online communication solutions (Microsoft Teams, Zoom). For many, this is a big shake, for someone it is positive.

    I have partners who have not seen before how they can work with Teams. Now many of them have conducted internal and external brainstorms and set about a new direction with burning eyes. I assess this as a positive consequence of the situation.
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  3. Screening of inefficient resources. Ineffective organizational scenarios, technologies, and processes are “washed out” of society with every crisis. Now the situation is unique - the Internet has become a second home. And this made it possible to see how many, even the largest companies, have the potential to improve the same delivery processes and handle complaints. And I see that many do not stand still, but break their established models, change for the better.


Mikhail Klimin : On the surface lies the idea that teamwork tools will get boost due to ubiquitous remote work. Video conferencing services in a fiercely competitive environment should increase the quality of video communications. Not everyone is so excited about Zoom.




How will the digital transformation of businesses go? Is the current situation a slowdown, or vice versa?


Andrei Sebrant : It depends on which businesses are in question. For small and medium-sized ones, the transformation is more likely to freeze, or even stop altogether: when it is necessary to survive, there is no time for investment in the future.

Large businesses will focus on getting rid of the weak links that were discovered during the crisis and reducing overhead costs. It was clearly revealed that people are almost always the weakest link. So big business will increase its stability, replacing people with devices or algorithms as much as possible: production, logistics, trade will receive a strong kick in the direction of automation of everything that can be automated. Online trading will also develop, if the business is trading at least something, the current lesson is too obvious.


Ivan Yamshchikov : On the whole, it is now clear that companies that have further advanced in terms of digital transformation feel more confident during the crisis.

Those who are lagging behind in this regard now need to sharply catch up with competitors. If earlier differences in efficiency between the company Shurupa Incorporated, which has already actively used digital document management, data analysis and process analytics, and the Shurupium holding, which did not do all this, but only “looked closely,” were expressed as percentages in annual reports, now this becomes a question life and death.

Konstantin Kichinsky : I hope that everyone who entered the digital transformation path, but did not make radical conclusions or steps, now realized that they had wasted money. Short innovations did not save, and strategists from large consulting companies were not seers. Billions burned in vain. Transformation failed. Conventionally, the entire HoReCa and all retail, not to rebuild in time online processes have now become hostages:


  1. Temporary situation.
  2. Several aggregators who have made a bet on this in advance.
  3. Changing customer consumption patterns and their budget.
  4. The choice of the state, whom to support with a limited budget.

In many cases, it turned out that it was not necessary to transform itself, but the whole chain and logic of partnership and relations. Those who previously could play from a position of strength, suddenly forced to negotiate. Will the transformation proceed further at the exit of the crisis? I am sure that the west wind will bring us some more modern term. We will have some kind of “post-viral reformation”. While you are sitting here reading, those same strategists are already writing new strategies for you.



Grigory Petrov : For my part, I have always seen IT as the mechanisms by which people work with information. The current situation has created a host of new needs: the best video call mechanisms, online communication platforms, digital solutions for those processes that were previously solved “on paper” or “in the smoking room”. It is difficult to assess the priorities of businesses, because businesses are different. But from the point of view of the tasks that need to be solved here and now, we will see growth.

Georgy Mogelashvili : The problem of the slow process of digital transformation, in my opinion, is not a technical problem at all. Judge for yourself, there are already a million and one tool in the world for collaboration in digital. All kinds of messengers, video conferences, bots and plugins - take and use, automate everything.

The thing is that many businesses (especially in traditional sectors) think in terms of the old world, where there was no Internet or even computers. The people who work there did not have the opportunity to get to know the world of “numbers” and understand what it can give them. Moreover, even modern IT companies sometimes believe in the mantra "the employee must sit in the office from 9 to 6."

Now that the whole world has suddenly gone to a remote place, many of these companies will click on the thought, as in that joke: “But what, was that possible?”. It turns out that working on a remote location doesn’t sag much in productivity, that somewhere it will become even more productive or cheaper (there are no office expenses or business trips). For the first time, many will have a chance to touch the "figure", arrange for themselves a forced trial period. And at the end of the whole story of the virus, a smart business that knows how to grow and does not hold on to the past will think, calculate profits / losses and, most likely, will begin to digitalize.

Alexander Belotserkovsky : For many, the current situation is the opportunity to undergo digital transformation in accelerated mode. This is not always easy, because depending on the stage of the process, the presence of specialists “on the ground” may be required. But most of those who had long planned and put off were forced to accelerate and adapt to digital business management.

Those who have already "digitalized" the business have already received or will receive a serious stress test of the built systems and quick feedback. At the same time, I am sure that many businesses will keep the offline format, demand will recover, and now we need to work and look for new solutions. This also applies to digital transformation processes for the physical business. This is an opportunity to review the principles of their activities and return to work prepared for new conditions.

Mikhail Klimin : First of all, I note that the coronacrisis will become a catalyst in the transformation of the relationship between buyers and sellers in traditional offline fields: banks, insurance, food retail.

Nobody has done more for “digitalization” than coronavirus - this is definitely an acceleration of pace, as well as natural selection.




In the near future, a high level of unemployment in the world is expected. Will this affect IT professionals?


Andrei Sebrant : Already touched. Even many Google-class giants have publicly stated that they are slowing down the pace of employment, and many smaller companies that have been developing custom projects in the same States have already been left without orders and forced to fire people. Many IT startups are closing. And besides COVID-19, we also have oil prices, so unemployment cannot be avoided, alas. As in past crises, unemployment will be heterogeneous: large and state-owned companies will buy up the strongest specialists at an inexpensive price, while conducting internal cleanings.

Ivan Yamshchikov : It is very difficult to predict a recession. Especially those that unfold against the backdrop of completely new events. I think that everything will depend on the scale of the crisis and on what kind of specialist we are talking about.

Companies whose main business is offline, rely on a long sales cycle and complex supply chains, can suffer greatly, especially if they have a poor understanding of the structure of their business processes. If an IT specialist works for such a company, then the crisis could hurt him. Will a qualified specialist remain unemployed for a long time? I do not think, as I said above, there is a lot of work in the technological field.

Konstantin Kichinsky : Of course. In the IT sector, on average, I think, about the same percentage of loafers, as elsewhere. In the office, this is not so noticeable, but now rigid tracking of tasks will begin, monitoring the contribution to the product, and accounting for spent fuel. And all will understand! Suddenly it turns out that the work on udalonke not so bad. And if you can on a remote site, then maybe you do not need to recruit people from big cities? Then he remembered his covenant Proudhon and socialists, and it becomes clear that in order to "to each according to his work" does not necessarily have a regional binding, as to the Communists the slogan we are still far away. Then, many still fail, the euphoria will pass, and many return to the old good office formats, remembering the time of isolation as a nightmare of endless work.





Grigory Petrov : There are different things. For example, a company that sells airline tickets can reduce the development staff. But companies that made video calls, social networks or business automation, on the contrary, are now experiencing the need for qualified developers.

So I would talk about the redistribution of IT-specialists, and not unemployment. I’ll even venture to suggest an increase in IT, because it is the programmers who help us work with information from home.

Georgy Mogelashvili : In short: vice versa. The world goes online, and does it quickly, with a kick. So we need people who will develop this. It just so happened that these same people are IT people. Until you come up with self-written programs, you will need people who will do this. So we won’t stay without work.

But there is a downside. Now people from those professions that will be severely affected by the crisis will look around and see that IT specialists are in demand. And they will go to study programming, system administration and more. All this will lead to the fact that in about a year (or even earlier) a new wave of young specialists will enter the labor market, who will make good competition to existing professionals.

Yes, the quality of their work or the fundamental nature of education will not be the same, but, let's be clean, now education and understanding of algorithms are not so important. Programming from science has turned into a craft: assemble from a ready-made cubes-packages and APIs a finished product in the cloud.

All this will affect our salaries. IT will cease to be an elite profession with sky-high money. At one time I read about a very good analogy, which is now getting closer to us. At the beginning of the century, it was very prestigious to work at the Ford factory. The employees of the plant were very appreciated, received huge money and enjoyed public respect. However, over time, when conveyors appeared and the car assembly process became easier, less qualified personnel went to the factories. This led to the fact that now the factory worker, although he remains a very skilled person, but does not earn as a programmer.

This will happen in the IT field. And the current crisis can accelerate the process, because more and more people will strive in an area that crises are not afraid of.

Alexander Belotserkovsky : In my opinion, companies that have their own product will be easier. This can not only allow you to survive the crisis, but also expand the horizons. And somewhere at the subconscious level there will always be the thought that you have something that you created for yourself. It helps.

The ability to diversify the business, flexibility is also important. One of my favorite examples is the Tomsk IT company Rubius . This is a very cool company.
They have a completely non-core story - a soundproofed cab for Qubius. For these, I am sure they will survive the crisis and become stronger.

Mikhail Klimin : The IT industry is less vulnerable in this regard than others. The dynamics of changes in this area have taught the company to quickly adapt to new challenges and circumstances. I think most IT companies will not be in a hurry with reductions, since it is employees who are their main capital.

The most daring companies will use the opportunities that have opened up to their advantage - to launch new products, lure talent, enter new segments or markets.

More rational companies will use the moment as an excuse to reduce employees with low labor productivity. I admit that in the short term there may be problems for IT integrators and outsourcers, for those who serviced offline business in a quiet time.




How will the life of each person and developer in particular change?


Andrei Sebrant : I think that we will begin to appreciate and use more means for online communication, not only for work. First of all, to communicate with those who are far away and with whom there is no way to go in the evening to chat in a cozy place.

Many of us (whether we like it or not) are now developing a habit of online communication as normal. I think that this will remain with us afterwards. And the closed borders and lack of money even for domestic tickets will perfectly fix the habit in the coming months.


I won’t say anything about “absolutely every person,” but for office workers, owning online tools and the ability to work effectively remotely will become basic requirements regardless of profession. Now everyone realized that it is too risky to hire people who do not know how.

As for the developers, their lives will change the least, as far as I see now.


Ivan Yamshchikov : I do not presume to predict how life will change, but I can say what changes I would like. It seems to me that the key experience that would be useful to bring to the level of all mankind should be the understanding that the globe is a very close and valuable space for us. The personal responsibility of everyone affects the fate of a person as a species.

I saw a wonderful demotivator on this subject: "If you think that one person cannot change the world, tell the Chinese who ate a poorly prepared bat."

Konstantin Kichinsky : You will often wash your hands, less often touch your face, unfamiliar objects and surfaces, begin to keep your distance from strangers. This mikroparanoyya cleanliness and avoidance of contacts. You will learn how to plan the purchase of products for the week ahead through online services, minimize trips to stores, drug stores, hardware stores, Ikea. Do not learn to better control your time and learn from online courses. Students and pupils will be vaccinated rejection of modern models of online learning from a catastrophic failure of educational institutions to move qualitatively to this format. Raise your rankings in online games, natreniruete strimingovye services to better understand your tastes.







You will wait for spring and, possibly, summer 2021, because in 2020 you will look at them through the window.

Grigory Petrov : We will learn how to wash our hands and not touch our faces, at least. We will see that many things can be done using IT without a personal presence. And developers will have to implement all this “without personal presence”, coping with the load, checking the hypotheses of the new UX and infinitely correcting bugs. In general, everything is as usual.

Georgy Mogelashvili :

NOT FOR PRINT


The life of an IT specialist, just like an IT specialist, will not change much. Many already work remotely (from home or from coworking), so the current quarantine will not change much.

But for a person, in principle, the way of life will change. If earlier I went to Auchan every Saturday and spent five hours there in traffic jams, queues, between the shelves, now I will spend this time with my family in the park, and I will order the necessary products online in 10 minutes with delivery to the door.

Any offline shopping will die off, because it is much easier to order everything on the site. Personally, I have been practicing this approach for a long time and I don’t remember at all the last time I bought clothes or electronics offline, and I buy food in the store only if I need to buy something (the main order is brought to me by delivery men).

Of course, to make this possible, some processes must be changed. For example, in Russia it is still difficult to return a product if it did not fit, and services like Lamoda work in such cases according to their custom processes. But if the law introduces the rules according to which you can return any product within 14 days without specifying a reason and without filling out bureaucratic forms (as is done in the Netherlands, where I live), then online shopping will become closer.

And this applies to many other offline habits. Why go to the movies if you have a cool video / audio system at home? Why go to the doctor if you can consult online (if the disease is not serious), why go to school if you can study online? The current crisis will significantly accelerate the shift in thinking.

Alexander Belotserkovsky : I can’t imagine how the life of a good developer can change. The crisis will pass, and it will become even more popular. Now there is a huge scope for future development. For example, I see the potential in the development of the AR / VR sphere. This is also a large layer of work that someone needs to do.

How will human life change in general? Now there is a large-scale assessment and reassessment of the effectiveness of organizations and processes in all spheres of life. I am sure that humanity will come out of the situation to some extent with a greater understanding of the world and its structure.

Mikhail Klimin : Due to the virus, many large conferences are transferred online. After the quarantine has been lifted, the organizers and the participants themselves will understand that it is not necessary to fly through the whole world in order to attend the event for one or two days. As a result, fewer conferences will be offline, more online.





The future has already come, or vice versa will throw us back into the Stone Age?


Andrey Sebrant : The future now comes faster than ever (even if not everyone likes it with their tracking systems, replacing people with robots of all sorts and nightclubs in Zoom instead of cozy lofts). I do not see a single sign of a rollback somewhere back. On the contrary, humanity is more than ever aware of its dependence on technology and the crucial role of IT in any crisis.

Ivan Yamshchikov : It all depends on the depth and scale of the crisis. It seems that Einstein is credited with the quote: "I do not know what weapons will be used in the Third World War, but the Fourth will be fought with stones and sticks."

Konstantin Kichinsky : The future is inevitable. Reality scenarios are sometimes better and more colorful than the bold ideas of science fiction writers and futurologists. While you were waiting for patrolling drones, you missed how Apple and Google sewed invisible control technologies into the operating system. While you were waiting for the matrix-style VR breakthrough, you missed out on how Agent Smith became Uncle Styopa's digital assistant. While you're waiting for a flight to Mars SpaceX and herbs stories, comparing them with Roskosmos, you missed, like the Tesla factory in a couple of weeks to re-train and started to make "fan" (mechanical ventilation). The crisis has only opened the frightening future of thorns, in which we have already entered.



Grigory Petrov : It has already come. Almost everyone has a smartphone in their pocket and Internet coverage allow them to quickly organize social interactions that were impossible ten years ago. Delivery of food and goods from the store, services, interfaces to government services and banks - all this does not make isolation painless, but at least allows you to organize it for a large number of people.

Georgy Mogelashvili : The future is always in the future. Time will tell how it will become. I think it will only get better and the world will become more accessible.


Alexander Belotserkovsky : I do not believe that it is technically possible to throw someone into the Stone Age. And as for the future, William Gibson has already said everything: “The future has already arrived. It’s just that it’s still unevenly distributed. ” The disparity in the distribution and “future” of different entities can be considered as a problem, the solutions of which I do not see in the near or in the long term.

Mikhail Klimin : Speaking in the context of today's situation, I think this will not affect our progress in any way. Two years later, we will no longer remember the details of quarantine 2020.

If we answer this question more globally, then my opinion is about this: in recent years, it might have been a false impression that with the development of new technologies in AI, we began to rapidly approach the moment of the onset of technological singularity ( TS). In simple words, TS is such a moment in the future when technological development becomes uncontrollable and irreversible.

But in fact, the current situation shows that the speed of technology development in different industries is not uniform. And if in some areas we pulled ahead, then, for example, in medicine we still have a Stone Age - we cannot ensure the survival of our species!




What do you recommend to a person not familiar with the IT world? Do I need to come here now, or vice versa is it better to learn other professions?


Andrei Sebrant : During the acute crisis and immediately after it, when the labor market becomes the employer market, and not the job market, few people need newcomers. This also applies to the IT field. But strategically, in the long mastery of the IT specialty - good unemployment insurance. Therefore, such a tactic seems reasonable to me: now try to make money on what you know best, where you already have a reputation and experience, then learn something technical with this money. All the same, normal knowledge in this area requires about a year of training and the development of a minimum portfolio. But then, just as the recovery from the crisis and the demand on the labor market will be in full swing, try to go to IT.

Ivan Yamshchikov : It seems to me that the general rules are the same for everyone: first, you need to learn what is interesting. If technology is interesting, it's never too late to do it. In my group, an employee once worked, who with a psychological education came to IT at the age of 50+, and now she is doing projects in the field of psychology of the interaction of people and technologies for leading Russian companies.
This second logical rule follows from this story: if you know how to do something, use it. Your competencies gained in one place will help you in another. Just understand how different areas of your activity relate.

The third simple idea: to learn better in practice. If you want to learn music, write music from the first day of training. Write, save, compare, show first to friends, then to relatives, then to users of social networks. It doesn’t matter what you want to learn: design, programming or playing football! From day one, try to do what you learn.

Konstantin Kichinsky : Well, if you still do not understand ... the future lies with genetics, microbiology, new materials and quanta. IT will be commodity.


Grigory Petrov : It is difficult to predict the future. A poor programmer, like a bad barista or a bad neurophysiologist, few people need. Yes, IT is a hype field, and the threshold for the entry of a new specialist is not as high as, for example, for nuclear physics. But still, months of study are needed to start doing, and years to learn to do well. If you have the opportunity to try, now is a very good time.

Georgy Mogelashvili : Competition among IT-specialists will become more and more, it will be especially large in the market for beginners. Now the train is starting to leave slowly, but you can still have time to jump into the last carriage.

It would be better not to retrain as an IT specialist, but to develop in areas related to IT. If you own a profession that is only offline, I advise you to think about how you can transfer your skills to digital. For example, good 3D architects will be needed for VR rooms, and good virtual guides for online travel services.

Alexander Belotserkovsky : I don’t like it when people do something, and then abruptly go in a completely different direction against their desire. From IT to metal or vice versa, it doesn’t matter. Our psyche, biology and other mechanisms do not tolerate sudden movements.

Everything should be progressive. You can’t run on the highway for a year, and then decide at night that you want a half marathon in the mountains or in the rain. You can’t do offline all your life and go abruptly online. You can look for potential growth points in what you are doing now. Technology is a tool. If it is not clear how to apply it in current activities, it means that you are looking badly or the time has not yet come.

Mikhail Klimin : Yes, I think we should go! In IT at any given time there is a shortage of good staff. And with the development of retraining courses for IT specialties, you can do this at any age. There are a lot of directions in IT, this sphere is very multifaceted and changeable - it will not be boring! Here everyone can find a scope for their professional interests.




BLITZ. What would you do if your profession disappeared this year?


Andrei Sebrant : I would start writing books. And then the current demand for the profession still does not allow us to be distracted by this matter, although at times I feel like a damn thing.

Ivan Yamshchikov : Hmmmm. Which of my professions? I am a scientist, analyst, podcast, popularizer of science, sometimes I shoot films on my knee and I write a book now. If one of my professions disappears, I will redistribute the free time to other projects.

Konstantin Kichinsky : Fortunately, I haven't had “my profession” for a couple of years. Each time it’s crazy breaking up to describe briefly what I’m doing or to come up with an adequate job title for the workbook.

Grigory Petrov : I always dreamed of becoming a real neurophysiologist. So I would go to the laboratory to use my knowledge of programming and technology to study the brain.

Georgy Mogelashvili : I would write books or feed people.

Alexander Belotserkovsky : I would start to cook desserts to order or go to metal rolling.

Mikhail Klimin : Urban landscape design, Russian cities are far behind European in this respect.

Friends who have read and leafed through to the end, we hope you enjoyed our interview. If you have an opinion on these issues, be sure to write it in the comments.

In general, we began to predict the future last year and drank the test just for fun “What would you become in 2120?”

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